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	<title>Comments on: Varney on the Merger Guidelines</title>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey Manne</title>
		<link>http://truthonthemarket.com/2010/01/27/varney-on-the-merger-guidelines/#comment-8164</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Manne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AG: I don&#039;t mean to suggest that a channel of distribution can never be a relevant market, but I do think it creates a concern that should rightly be difficult to overcome.  I think Libby was wrongly decided (of course I worked on the case . . . ) because the evidence supporting a relevant market based on channel of distribution was terribly thin and the defendants&#039; arguments on re-positioning were just, essentially, dismissed out of hand.  But one should be really cautious, it seems to me, when there is lots of actual output and/or productive capacity that is excluded from a market simply because it is sold by different salesmen.

I remain agnostic on Staples.  I agree that there was lots of helpful econometric evidence and that there was a relatively strong case made for the narrow market, but I also think, again, that that evidence couldn&#039;t account well for post-merger re-positioning or other market dynamics that may have proved the pre-merger analysis wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AG: I don&#8217;t mean to suggest that a channel of distribution can never be a relevant market, but I do think it creates a concern that should rightly be difficult to overcome.  I think Libby was wrongly decided (of course I worked on the case . . . ) because the evidence supporting a relevant market based on channel of distribution was terribly thin and the defendants&#8217; arguments on re-positioning were just, essentially, dismissed out of hand.  But one should be really cautious, it seems to me, when there is lots of actual output and/or productive capacity that is excluded from a market simply because it is sold by different salesmen.</p>
<p>I remain agnostic on Staples.  I agree that there was lots of helpful econometric evidence and that there was a relatively strong case made for the narrow market, but I also think, again, that that evidence couldn&#8217;t account well for post-merger re-positioning or other market dynamics that may have proved the pre-merger analysis wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: antitrust guy</title>
		<link>http://truthonthemarket.com/2010/01/27/varney-on-the-merger-guidelines/#comment-8163</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[antitrust guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Geoffrey, putting aside how many words the market def. in Staples takes, do you believe that the market definition in that case wasn&#039;t proven or consistent with the Clayton Act?

Or, more broadly, is there something inherently erroneous about defining a market in part through the distribution channel?  Whole Foods surely is at the far end of the reasonableness spectrum, but is Staples?  What about the department store merger (Federated/May) that the FTC allowed to proceed?  Could they have stated a viable relevant market of departments stores (the &quot;sale of clothing and other personal apparel through department stores&quot;, say).

And at the broadest level, wouldn&#039;t such a limit mean any merger among distributors of goods could not be a relevant market?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Geoffrey, putting aside how many words the market def. in Staples takes, do you believe that the market definition in that case wasn&#8217;t proven or consistent with the Clayton Act?</p>
<p>Or, more broadly, is there something inherently erroneous about defining a market in part through the distribution channel?  Whole Foods surely is at the far end of the reasonableness spectrum, but is Staples?  What about the department store merger (Federated/May) that the FTC allowed to proceed?  Could they have stated a viable relevant market of departments stores (the &#8220;sale of clothing and other personal apparel through department stores&#8221;, say).</p>
<p>And at the broadest level, wouldn&#8217;t such a limit mean any merger among distributors of goods could not be a relevant market?</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey Manne</title>
		<link>http://truthonthemarket.com/2010/01/27/varney-on-the-merger-guidelines/#comment-8162</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Manne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about &quot;consumable office supplies from office superstores&quot;?

But more important, and probably in part to Joe&#039;s point, precisely part of the problem is defining allegedly-relevant markets by their channels of distribution--a definition that tends to require more than six words, as we&#039;ve been discussing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about &#8220;consumable office supplies from office superstores&#8221;?</p>
<p>But more important, and probably in part to Joe&#8217;s point, precisely part of the problem is defining allegedly-relevant markets by their channels of distribution&#8211;a definition that tends to require more than six words, as we&#8217;ve been discussing.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;the sale of consumable office supplies through office superstores&quot; ... is what I see in the opinion...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the sale of consumable office supplies through office superstores&#8221; &#8230; is what I see in the opinion&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: antitrust guy</title>
		<link>http://truthonthemarket.com/2010/01/27/varney-on-the-merger-guidelines/#comment-8160</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[antitrust guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[. . . office product (super)stores: also out?

More generally, unless you can define the retail business in a single word (6-5), no go?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>. . . office product (super)stores: also out?</p>
<p>More generally, unless you can define the retail business in a single word (6-5), no go?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://truthonthemarket.com/2010/01/27/varney-on-the-merger-guidelines/#comment-8159</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not if one properly includes &quot;The sale of products through&quot; ... PNOS in the market definition. After all, the antitrust objection was not to selling supermarkets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not if one properly includes &#8220;The sale of products through&#8221; &#8230; PNOS in the market definition. After all, the antitrust objection was not to selling supermarkets.</p>
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		<title>By: antitrust guy</title>
		<link>http://truthonthemarket.com/2010/01/27/varney-on-the-merger-guidelines/#comment-8158</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[antitrust guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Josh, wouldn&#039;t Joe&#039;s rule still permit PNOS?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, wouldn&#8217;t Joe&#8217;s rule still permit PNOS?</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://truthonthemarket.com/2010/01/27/varney-on-the-merger-guidelines/#comment-8157</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You say &quot;her remarks seem uncontroversial.&quot;  What about her misleading suggestion that Posner believes that the Chicago School has has been discredited?

Yes, Posner did say (as the AAG quotes) that  “the term ‘Chicago School’ should be retired.”  But that&#039;s not because its insights are wrong, but because -- according to the very article the AAG cites -- &quot;by the nineteen-eighties the basic insights of the Chicago School had been accepted pretty much worldwide.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say &#8220;her remarks seem uncontroversial.&#8221;  What about her misleading suggestion that Posner believes that the Chicago School has has been discredited?</p>
<p>Yes, Posner did say (as the AAG quotes) that  “the term ‘Chicago School’ should be retired.”  But that&#8217;s not because its insights are wrong, but because &#8212; according to the very article the AAG cites &#8212; &#8220;by the nineteen-eighties the basic insights of the Chicago School had been accepted pretty much worldwide.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Geoff, if there is a devil here, it is in the details surrounding the meaning of the word &quot;certain.&quot;  If one replaces &quot;certain customers&quot; in AAG Varney&#039;s quote with &quot;consumers&quot;, this becomes the standard call for less market definition and more openness to a &quot;direct effects&quot; approach.  Whether one agrees with this approach or not (and I am among the economists who believe that the market definition exercise imposes some useful discipline on the merger evaluation analytical exercise), this is a position well within the range of current debate.  Even more so if one replaces &quot;certain customers&quot; with something closer to &quot;some large enough group of consumers to constitute a line of commerce&quot;.

On the other hand, if one reads &quot;certain&quot; to mean something like &quot;any inframarginal consumer&quot;, then I think your criticism is appropriately aimed. The use of &quot;certain vulnerable customers&quot; certainly suggests to me that what she has in mind are infra-marginal consumers in unilateral effects cases.  As to which of these two, or some alternative, is the intended message I am not sure.

I will note that it is in this very set of cases involving differentiated products mergers that it would be quite difficult to &quot;clearly&quot; identify likely anticompetitive effects.  I do not think that our ability to understand and predict re-positioning in these markets is sufficiently empirically grounded at this point that an antitrust agency should be using words like &quot;clearly&quot; unless they really mean to limit themselves in that way.  Obviously, more confidence can be had in the case of consummated mergers.

I will note that, along these lines, I thought that Joe Sims (Jones Day) had the single best line of the day during the panel on power buyers when recommending that a desirable method of ensuring that the agencies do not take unilateral effects too far is to require that all market definitions be stated in 6 words or less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff, if there is a devil here, it is in the details surrounding the meaning of the word &#8220;certain.&#8221;  If one replaces &#8220;certain customers&#8221; in AAG Varney&#8217;s quote with &#8220;consumers&#8221;, this becomes the standard call for less market definition and more openness to a &#8220;direct effects&#8221; approach.  Whether one agrees with this approach or not (and I am among the economists who believe that the market definition exercise imposes some useful discipline on the merger evaluation analytical exercise), this is a position well within the range of current debate.  Even more so if one replaces &#8220;certain customers&#8221; with something closer to &#8220;some large enough group of consumers to constitute a line of commerce&#8221;.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if one reads &#8220;certain&#8221; to mean something like &#8220;any inframarginal consumer&#8221;, then I think your criticism is appropriately aimed. The use of &#8220;certain vulnerable customers&#8221; certainly suggests to me that what she has in mind are infra-marginal consumers in unilateral effects cases.  As to which of these two, or some alternative, is the intended message I am not sure.</p>
<p>I will note that it is in this very set of cases involving differentiated products mergers that it would be quite difficult to &#8220;clearly&#8221; identify likely anticompetitive effects.  I do not think that our ability to understand and predict re-positioning in these markets is sufficiently empirically grounded at this point that an antitrust agency should be using words like &#8220;clearly&#8221; unless they really mean to limit themselves in that way.  Obviously, more confidence can be had in the case of consummated mergers.</p>
<p>I will note that, along these lines, I thought that Joe Sims (Jones Day) had the single best line of the day during the panel on power buyers when recommending that a desirable method of ensuring that the agencies do not take unilateral effects too far is to require that all market definitions be stated in 6 words or less.</p>
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