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	<title>Comments on: Organ Markets, Social Justice, and the Poor: A  Reply to Professor Pasquale</title>
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		<title>By: TRUTH ON THE MARKET &#187; Medical Self-Defense, Organ Markets, and the Poor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TRUTH ON THE MARKET &#187; Medical Self-Defense, Organ Markets, and the Poor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Eugene Volokh has posted a series discussing his new article (forthcoming in Harvard L. Rev.) &#8220;Medical Self-Defense, Prohibited Experimental Therapies, and Payment for Organs,&#8221; which I point out because the article claims that bans on organ payments violate patients&#8217; medical self-defense rights. As readers of TOTM know, organ markets are a topic of substantial interest around here. Eugene dedicates a separate post to refuting the oft-repeated mantra that the ban on compensation is necessary to prevent the wealthy from buying up all of the organs. I remain unconvinced by claims that organ markets will harm the poor for reasons addressed in greater detail in this post. Eugene&#8217;s article admirably contributes to a substantial literature refuting the claim that organ markets will make the poor worse off (see, e.g., Cohen, Epstein, Boudreaux, Becker links in this post). [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Eugene Volokh has posted a series discussing his new article (forthcoming in Harvard L. Rev.) &#8220;Medical Self-Defense, Prohibited Experimental Therapies, and Payment for Organs,&#8221; which I point out because the article claims that bans on organ payments violate patients&#8217; medical self-defense rights. As readers of TOTM know, organ markets are a topic of substantial interest around here. Eugene dedicates a separate post to refuting the oft-repeated mantra that the ban on compensation is necessary to prevent the wealthy from buying up all of the organs. I remain unconvinced by claims that organ markets will harm the poor for reasons addressed in greater detail in this post. Eugene&#8217;s article admirably contributes to a substantial literature refuting the claim that organ markets will make the poor worse off (see, e.g., Cohen, Epstein, Boudreaux, Becker links in this post). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Pasquale</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Pasquale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, if anybody commenting above would like to get into this issue in more depth next summer, perhaps we could submit to that new Yale Law Journal forum a &quot;twinned set&quot; of articles.  Details appear here:
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2006/07/august_1_deadli.html

This fall, I plan to start writing an article called Taxing Tiering: From Binary to Subtlety in the Regulation of Inequality of Access to Health Care.  My basic points will be:

1) There are a number of new innovations in health care finance and delivery that both offer superior health care to those who can afford them and promise to generate innovative methods that will diffuse more generally.  (My focus will be on specialty hospitals, concierge medicine, and perhaps cosmetic surgery.)

2) These innovations threaten the intricate system of cross-subsidies that have funded health care generally.  For example, a specialty heart hospital siphons away well-compensated surgery away from general hospitals, which used those funds (in part) to fund things like charity care and medical education.

3) Entrenched players who benefit from the cross-subsidies (such as community hospitals, non-concierge physicians, and advocates for uninsured or poorly insured patients) are using a variety of laws and regulations to stop these innovations entirely (such as CON laws, Medicare fraud and abuse statutes, etc.).

4) A better approach would be to tax care at the new, innovative, high-end entities, and to direct that tax to care for the uninsured or poorly insured. Some states have already taken this approach; I&#039;ll be applying to present a paper at a conference at Hamline this Spring to develop the idea generally.

There have been many comments invoking theories of taxation, efficiency, etc.  I would like the chance to develop the article in dialogue with a critic who, say, believes that this sort of tax policy would not achieve its intended affect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, if anybody commenting above would like to get into this issue in more depth next summer, perhaps we could submit to that new Yale Law Journal forum a &#8220;twinned set&#8221; of articles.  Details appear here:<br />
<a href="http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2006/07/august_1_deadli.html" rel="nofollow">http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2006/07/august_1_deadli.html</a></p>
<p>This fall, I plan to start writing an article called Taxing Tiering: From Binary to Subtlety in the Regulation of Inequality of Access to Health Care.  My basic points will be:</p>
<p>1) There are a number of new innovations in health care finance and delivery that both offer superior health care to those who can afford them and promise to generate innovative methods that will diffuse more generally.  (My focus will be on specialty hospitals, concierge medicine, and perhaps cosmetic surgery.)</p>
<p>2) These innovations threaten the intricate system of cross-subsidies that have funded health care generally.  For example, a specialty heart hospital siphons away well-compensated surgery away from general hospitals, which used those funds (in part) to fund things like charity care and medical education.</p>
<p>3) Entrenched players who benefit from the cross-subsidies (such as community hospitals, non-concierge physicians, and advocates for uninsured or poorly insured patients) are using a variety of laws and regulations to stop these innovations entirely (such as CON laws, Medicare fraud and abuse statutes, etc.).</p>
<p>4) A better approach would be to tax care at the new, innovative, high-end entities, and to direct that tax to care for the uninsured or poorly insured. Some states have already taken this approach; I&#8217;ll be applying to present a paper at a conference at Hamline this Spring to develop the idea generally.</p>
<p>There have been many comments invoking theories of taxation, efficiency, etc.  I would like the chance to develop the article in dialogue with a critic who, say, believes that this sort of tax policy would not achieve its intended affect.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Litvak</title>
		<link>http://truthonthemarket.com/2006/07/20/organ-markets-social-justice-and-the-poor-a-reply-to-professor-pasquale/#comment-6080</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate Litvak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To clarify my comment above: we donâ€™t impose an extra tax on supermarkets to fund a food stamp program; we donâ€™t impose an extra tax on private schools to fund public schools; and we donâ€™t impose an extra tax on apartment buildings to fund Section 8. Why should we tax organ donation to subsidize transplant surgeries? A dollar is a dollar is a dollar. It should come from wherever marginal tax increase causes the least damage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify my comment above: we donâ€™t impose an extra tax on supermarkets to fund a food stamp program; we donâ€™t impose an extra tax on private schools to fund public schools; and we donâ€™t impose an extra tax on apartment buildings to fund Section 8. Why should we tax organ donation to subsidize transplant surgeries? A dollar is a dollar is a dollar. It should come from wherever marginal tax increase causes the least damage.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Litvak</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate Litvak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why in the world would anyone want to impose an additional tax on a particular type of a life-saving surgery? I know people who believe in taxing inherited wealth. I know people who believe in taxing luxury consumption. I know people who believe in taxing behaviors that we want to reduce (e.g., smoking). But why tax life-saving medical procedures? Beats me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why in the world would anyone want to impose an additional tax on a particular type of a life-saving surgery? I know people who believe in taxing inherited wealth. I know people who believe in taxing luxury consumption. I know people who believe in taxing behaviors that we want to reduce (e.g., smoking). But why tax life-saving medical procedures? Beats me.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 06:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kate: there are some eloquent reflections here on why inequality, per se, is a religious concern:

http://www.mirrorofjustice.com/mirrorofjustice/2006/07/growing_income_.html

some quotes:

&quot;[G]reat disparity seems likely to make it harder for people to practice the value of solidarity, that is, &#039;see[ing] the other-whether a person, people or nation-not just as some kind of instrument, . . . as our &#039;neighbor,&#039; . . . to be made a sharer on a par with ourselves in the banquet of life to which all are equally invited by God.&#039;&quot;  Berg, quoting Solicitudo Rei Socialis, para. 39.

I explore this idea a bit in the comments on my post on ventilators embedded in the original postt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate: there are some eloquent reflections here on why inequality, per se, is a religious concern:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mirrorofjustice.com/mirrorofjustice/2006/07/growing_income_.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mirrorofjustice.com/mirrorofjustice/2006/07/growing_income_.html</a></p>
<p>some quotes:</p>
<p>&#8220;[G]reat disparity seems likely to make it harder for people to practice the value of solidarity, that is, &#8216;see[ing] the other-whether a person, people or nation-not just as some kind of instrument, . . . as our &#8216;neighbor,&#8217; . . . to be made a sharer on a par with ourselves in the banquet of life to which all are equally invited by God.&#8217;&#8221;  Berg, quoting Solicitudo Rei Socialis, para. 39.</p>
<p>I explore this idea a bit in the comments on my post on ventilators embedded in the original postt.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 05:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christine--You may be right that I am wrong to assume that in &quot;the new system. . .  only marginally more transplants will happen and that all will be for wealthy people.&quot;  But I see no reason why a small tax on the transactions you foresee in your post (to help &quot;level the playing field&quot; of buying power) would foreclose those transactions.

All I&#039;m trying to assure is that these transactions generate some funds aimed at helping those currently left out of the system. There is nothing radical here. The radical idea is a pervasive, dogmatic skepticism about tailored taxation&#039;s ability to help the least-well-off take a fairer share of the benefits created by a transition to a more market based approach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine&#8211;You may be right that I am wrong to assume that in &#8220;the new system. . .  only marginally more transplants will happen and that all will be for wealthy people.&#8221;  But I see no reason why a small tax on the transactions you foresee in your post (to help &#8220;level the playing field&#8221; of buying power) would foreclose those transactions.</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m trying to assure is that these transactions generate some funds aimed at helping those currently left out of the system. There is nothing radical here. The radical idea is a pervasive, dogmatic skepticism about tailored taxation&#8217;s ability to help the least-well-off take a fairer share of the benefits created by a transition to a more market based approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Hurt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine Hurt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 02:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How do we know that the new system will be that only marginally more transplants will happen and that all will be for wealthy people?  That assumption doesn&#039;t strike me as irrefutable.  The market price of an organ may reach equilibrium lower than that, and as Kate points out, Medicaid, Medicare and insurance will pay for organs, just as they do for surgeries.  Here&#039;s a hypothetical.  Today, Christine needs a kidney, or she&#039;ll die.  Her only friend, Kate, would love to give her a kidney, but they aren&#039;t a match.  Christine has no blood relatives.  No matter if Christine is rich or poor, she dies.  Under a different regime, Christine could purchase a kidney.  Perhaps she is poor.  But wait, her friend Kate could sell the kidney she would gladly give up and use the money to buy Christine a matching kidney.  Now, a poor person lives who otherwise would have died.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do we know that the new system will be that only marginally more transplants will happen and that all will be for wealthy people?  That assumption doesn&#8217;t strike me as irrefutable.  The market price of an organ may reach equilibrium lower than that, and as Kate points out, Medicaid, Medicare and insurance will pay for organs, just as they do for surgeries.  Here&#8217;s a hypothetical.  Today, Christine needs a kidney, or she&#8217;ll die.  Her only friend, Kate, would love to give her a kidney, but they aren&#8217;t a match.  Christine has no blood relatives.  No matter if Christine is rich or poor, she dies.  Under a different regime, Christine could purchase a kidney.  Perhaps she is poor.  But wait, her friend Kate could sell the kidney she would gladly give up and use the money to buy Christine a matching kidney.  Now, a poor person lives who otherwise would have died.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Litvak</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate Litvak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Antony: I agree that something is better than nothing, but in this case, â€œsomethingâ€? is just not enough. As you well know, even if all appropriate kidneys were harvested from dead people, we would still be in a dire need for more. So, even a real market for cadaver kidneys wonâ€™t solve the problem.

Likewise, Lifesharers barter is better than the outright ban, but is substantially worse than the market. Another form of barter would be to actually donate today in exchange for a priority tomorrow; the biggest problem here is that the priority is not assignable to the third party. So, if I donate my kidney today, and my child will need one in twenty years, I canâ€™t put him to the top of the list by handing him over my priority slip. Which means I wonâ€™t donate today. And, of course, if we allow transferable priority slips, we are de facto allowing markets. In which case we could just as well allow real markets unpolluted by bizarre distortions that the trading of priority slips would create.

This isnâ€™t to say I wouldnâ€™t take the transferable-priority system or tradable-cadaver-organs system over the current system. Iâ€™d take almost anything over the current system. Lifesharers is certainly a great undertaking, and we all should be grateful for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antony: I agree that something is better than nothing, but in this case, â€œsomethingâ€? is just not enough. As you well know, even if all appropriate kidneys were harvested from dead people, we would still be in a dire need for more. So, even a real market for cadaver kidneys wonâ€™t solve the problem.</p>
<p>Likewise, Lifesharers barter is better than the outright ban, but is substantially worse than the market. Another form of barter would be to actually donate today in exchange for a priority tomorrow; the biggest problem here is that the priority is not assignable to the third party. So, if I donate my kidney today, and my child will need one in twenty years, I canâ€™t put him to the top of the list by handing him over my priority slip. Which means I wonâ€™t donate today. And, of course, if we allow transferable priority slips, we are de facto allowing markets. In which case we could just as well allow real markets unpolluted by bizarre distortions that the trading of priority slips would create.</p>
<p>This isnâ€™t to say I wouldnâ€™t take the transferable-priority system or tradable-cadaver-organs system over the current system. Iâ€™d take almost anything over the current system. Lifesharers is certainly a great undertaking, and we all should be grateful for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Litvak</title>
		<link>http://truthonthemarket.com/2006/07/20/organ-markets-social-justice-and-the-poor-a-reply-to-professor-pasquale/#comment-6074</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate Litvak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frank: you in fact continue to be utterly confused. You keep treating the cost of transplant as qualitatively different from the cost of other medical services -- for no apparent reason. Substitute â€œkidneyâ€? for â€œsurgery,â€? and watch most of your argument fall apart. You also keep speaking as if the main consequence of compensation (here and everywhere) were to affect &lt;b&gt;distribution&lt;/b&gt;, rather than to affect the &lt;b&gt;supply&lt;/b&gt; of compensated services.

Just as we donâ€™t expect the ban on doctorsâ€™ compensation to improve poor peopleâ€™s access to surgeries, we canâ€™t expect the ban on donor services to improve poor peopleâ€™s access to organs. In both cases, the costs of the collapsed supply far outweigh dubious benefits of redistribution. Again, the identity of the payor is an issue completely separate from whether the market transaction should ever take place. And again, just as we can come to some sort of consensus on state subsidy to poor peopleâ€™s health care, we can come to consensus on state subsidy to poor peopleâ€™s cost of transplants.

Finally, your comment that Americans wonâ€™t like to pay cash to subsidize poor peopleâ€™s kidney transplants, so we should devise a clandestine regulation, which would force Americans pay for the same thing a substantially larger sum in-kind, smacks of the sort of self-congratulatory cynical elitism that should be truly shameful for a person yakking about morality, spirituality, and the Pope.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank: you in fact continue to be utterly confused. You keep treating the cost of transplant as qualitatively different from the cost of other medical services &#8212; for no apparent reason. Substitute â€œkidneyâ€? for â€œsurgery,â€? and watch most of your argument fall apart. You also keep speaking as if the main consequence of compensation (here and everywhere) were to affect <b>distribution</b>, rather than to affect the <b>supply</b> of compensated services.</p>
<p>Just as we donâ€™t expect the ban on doctorsâ€™ compensation to improve poor peopleâ€™s access to surgeries, we canâ€™t expect the ban on donor services to improve poor peopleâ€™s access to organs. In both cases, the costs of the collapsed supply far outweigh dubious benefits of redistribution. Again, the identity of the payor is an issue completely separate from whether the market transaction should ever take place. And again, just as we can come to some sort of consensus on state subsidy to poor peopleâ€™s health care, we can come to consensus on state subsidy to poor peopleâ€™s cost of transplants.</p>
<p>Finally, your comment that Americans wonâ€™t like to pay cash to subsidize poor peopleâ€™s kidney transplants, so we should devise a clandestine regulation, which would force Americans pay for the same thing a substantially larger sum in-kind, smacks of the sort of self-congratulatory cynical elitism that should be truly shameful for a person yakking about morality, spirituality, and the Pope.</p>
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		<title>By: madisonian.net &#187; Facts and Values in Political Debates</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[madisonian.net &#187; Facts and Values in Political Debates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] There&#8217;s been a spirited discussion of one of my posts here. (Okay, &#8220;spirited debate&#8221; is my euphemism for &#8220;clobbering&#8221;). I&#8217;d like to get some sense of why we&#8217;re so deeply divided. For now, I&#8217;m turning to this article, which tries to disentangle individuals&#8217; value priorities from factual judgments. (Yes, I admit, it&#8217;s experimental philosophy, which I usually find less than helpful). [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There&#8217;s been a spirited discussion of one of my posts here. (Okay, &#8220;spirited debate&#8221; is my euphemism for &#8220;clobbering&#8221;). I&#8217;d like to get some sense of why we&#8217;re so deeply divided. For now, I&#8217;m turning to this article, which tries to disentangle individuals&#8217; value priorities from factual judgments. (Yes, I admit, it&#8217;s experimental philosophy, which I usually find less than helpful). [...]</p>
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