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	<title>Comments on: Oakland&#8217;s Fast-Food Tax &#8212; Madness or Genius?</title>
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		<title>By: A Stitch in Haste</title>
		<link>http://truthonthemarket.com/2006/02/09/175/#comment-5454</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Stitch in Haste]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Oakland to Implement Arbitrary &quot;Litter Tax&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

One of the measures of a good law is whether it is overinclusive (e.g., banning too many activities in an attempt to prevent the truly &quot;bad&quot; ones) or underinclusive (e.g., penalizing only some, but not all, those who do &quot;bad&quot; things). Among other f...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Oakland to Implement Arbitrary &#8220;Litter Tax&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>One of the measures of a good law is whether it is overinclusive (e.g., banning too many activities in an attempt to prevent the truly &#8220;bad&#8221; ones) or underinclusive (e.g., penalizing only some, but not all, those who do &#8220;bad&#8221; things). Among other f&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Litvak</title>
		<link>http://truthonthemarket.com/2006/02/09/175/#comment-5453</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate Litvak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thom: mine was a Coasean comment. It takes two to tango. Your desire for cleanliness clashes with my desire to toss things where I want. Even if we don&#039;t expect the tax to change anyone&#039;s behavior, we still need to answer the basic question of why your desires should trump mine -- or why I should subsidize your preferences and not the other way around.

I realize that the fast-food tax is both over-inclusive (not all fast-food consumers litter) and under-inclusive (health nuts litter too), but since we can&#039;t realistically tax individual behavior, this might be the second best.

I have no view on whose preferences should be subsidized. I just want to point out that in the absence of incentive effects and transaction costs (of collecting the tax), we should be agnostic on whom we want to subject to tax. I also express no opinion on whether the tax will have incentives effects or whether itâ€™s cheaper to collect tax from fast-food joints than from residents of Oakland directly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thom: mine was a Coasean comment. It takes two to tango. Your desire for cleanliness clashes with my desire to toss things where I want. Even if we don&#8217;t expect the tax to change anyone&#8217;s behavior, we still need to answer the basic question of why your desires should trump mine &#8212; or why I should subsidize your preferences and not the other way around.</p>
<p>I realize that the fast-food tax is both over-inclusive (not all fast-food consumers litter) and under-inclusive (health nuts litter too), but since we can&#8217;t realistically tax individual behavior, this might be the second best.</p>
<p>I have no view on whose preferences should be subsidized. I just want to point out that in the absence of incentive effects and transaction costs (of collecting the tax), we should be agnostic on whom we want to subject to tax. I also express no opinion on whether the tax will have incentives effects or whether itâ€™s cheaper to collect tax from fast-food joints than from residents of Oakland directly.</p>
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		<title>By: Thom Lambert</title>
		<link>http://truthonthemarket.com/2006/02/09/175/#comment-5452</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kate:

It may make sense to tax polluters if doing so gets them to change their behavior (via cost-internalization).  This reduces social cost -- i.e., the inefficiencies resulting from externalities.  The tax here is unlikely to reduce social cost because the party directly bearing the tax is not &quot;rewarded&quot; (with lower taxes) for reducing social costs, and, in any event, is not in a good position to reduce the cost at issue, litter.  The internalization rationale for pollution taxes therefore doesn&#039;t work.

If we want to tax &quot;producers of waste,&quot; then we&#039;d focus on litterers (is that a word?).  Oakland&#039;s tax, effectively paid by all fast-food consumers -- not just the litterers, and, for reasons stated above, probably not just fast-food consumers in Oakland -- doesn&#039;t concentrate the tax burden on either beneficiaries of the public good or creators of the social cost.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate:</p>
<p>It may make sense to tax polluters if doing so gets them to change their behavior (via cost-internalization).  This reduces social cost &#8212; i.e., the inefficiencies resulting from externalities.  The tax here is unlikely to reduce social cost because the party directly bearing the tax is not &#8220;rewarded&#8221; (with lower taxes) for reducing social costs, and, in any event, is not in a good position to reduce the cost at issue, litter.  The internalization rationale for pollution taxes therefore doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>If we want to tax &#8220;producers of waste,&#8221; then we&#8217;d focus on litterers (is that a word?).  Oakland&#8217;s tax, effectively paid by all fast-food consumers &#8212; not just the litterers, and, for reasons stated above, probably not just fast-food consumers in Oakland &#8212; doesn&#8217;t concentrate the tax burden on either beneficiaries of the public good or creators of the social cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Litvak</title>
		<link>http://truthonthemarket.com/2006/02/09/175/#comment-5451</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate Litvak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why would you think that the government normally taxes the beneficiaries of public goods? Pollution is a classic story where the government taxes the producers of public bads instead. If patrons of fast-food establishments impose waste on the rest of the world, we can plausibly tax either producers of waste or consumers of cleanliness, even if the tax creates no incentive effects on either side.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would you think that the government normally taxes the beneficiaries of public goods? Pollution is a classic story where the government taxes the producers of public bads instead. If patrons of fast-food establishments impose waste on the rest of the world, we can plausibly tax either producers of waste or consumers of cleanliness, even if the tax creates no incentive effects on either side.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://truthonthemarket.com/2006/02/09/175/#comment-5450</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand the intuition that small deviations from previously profit maximizing prices (made small by spreading them across all markets rather than just Oakland, for example) might be better for the firm than a larger price increase in Oakland in some cases.  I guess another interesting factor suggesting that you are correct is that these fast-food chains compete on price with one another such that no Oakland chain would reap any substantial benefit from deviating from &quot;cost-spreading&quot; strategy by setting higher Oakland specific prices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the intuition that small deviations from previously profit maximizing prices (made small by spreading them across all markets rather than just Oakland, for example) might be better for the firm than a larger price increase in Oakland in some cases.  I guess another interesting factor suggesting that you are correct is that these fast-food chains compete on price with one another such that no Oakland chain would reap any substantial benefit from deviating from &#8220;cost-spreading&#8221; strategy by setting higher Oakland specific prices.</p>
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		<title>By: Thom Lambert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thom Lambert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Josh--

I&#039;ll match your casual empiricism with casual theorizing!

Sure, chains can -- and do -- set special prices for local markets, but there&#039;s a cost to doing so (e.g., hassles, reduced ability to engage in national or region-wide price advertising, etc.).  If the local cost increase occasioned by a tax is great enough, a chain would go ahead and incur these costs.  Here, though, the tax is pretty small and the cost of Oakland-specific pricing would be pretty big (for example, McDonalds couldn&#039;t advertise prices in the San Francisco Chronicle -- or, if it did, it would have to clutter up the ads with information about Oakland&#039;s special pricing).  My hunch -- and it&#039;s admittedly just a hunch -- is that this small tax wouldn&#039;t justify costly efforts to tailor prices for one municipality within a much larger metropolitan area.  I suppose the national chains might go ahead and incur these transactions costs (rather than just cross-subsidizing Oakland) in order to prevent other localities from following Oakland&#039;s lead.  I guess we&#039;ll have to watch what happens to the price of Big Macs in Oakland!

(BTW--If you&#039;re right, then there&#039;s no &quot;brilliance&quot; to this tax.  It&#039;s just wrong-headed.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh&#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll match your casual empiricism with casual theorizing!</p>
<p>Sure, chains can &#8212; and do &#8212; set special prices for local markets, but there&#8217;s a cost to doing so (e.g., hassles, reduced ability to engage in national or region-wide price advertising, etc.).  If the local cost increase occasioned by a tax is great enough, a chain would go ahead and incur these costs.  Here, though, the tax is pretty small and the cost of Oakland-specific pricing would be pretty big (for example, McDonalds couldn&#8217;t advertise prices in the San Francisco Chronicle &#8212; or, if it did, it would have to clutter up the ads with information about Oakland&#8217;s special pricing).  My hunch &#8212; and it&#8217;s admittedly just a hunch &#8212; is that this small tax wouldn&#8217;t justify costly efforts to tailor prices for one municipality within a much larger metropolitan area.  I suppose the national chains might go ahead and incur these transactions costs (rather than just cross-subsidizing Oakland) in order to prevent other localities from following Oakland&#8217;s lead.  I guess we&#8217;ll have to watch what happens to the price of Big Macs in Oakland!</p>
<p>(BTW&#8211;If you&#8217;re right, then there&#8217;s no &#8220;brilliance&#8221; to this tax.  It&#8217;s just wrong-headed.)</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://truthonthemarket.com/2006/02/09/175/#comment-5448</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thom, I guess I am confused at why say, McDonald&#039;s, WOULDN&#039;T impose higher taxes in the Oakland market alone?  It appears that you argument is that they wont bother because it is not worth it to set locally profit-maximizing prices relative to the cost of the hassle of doing so.  But we see local price changes all the time in all sorts of markets (how is that for casual empiricism?) .  Dont we?  I guess I would be interesting in hearing you talk a bit more about why it wont be worth it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thom, I guess I am confused at why say, McDonald&#8217;s, WOULDN&#8217;T impose higher taxes in the Oakland market alone?  It appears that you argument is that they wont bother because it is not worth it to set locally profit-maximizing prices relative to the cost of the hassle of doing so.  But we see local price changes all the time in all sorts of markets (how is that for casual empiricism?) .  Dont we?  I guess I would be interesting in hearing you talk a bit more about why it wont be worth it?</p>
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